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Wednesday, February 25, 2009

A Solution for the Obama Birth Certificate Nutcases

Obama Haters Clogging Courts with Frivolous Lawsuits

There is a legion of Obama haters who just can't accept the fact that he is our President. These self-styled "patriots" are doing everything they can by clogging the courts with frivolous lawsuits and the Internet with anything they can throw. You know who you are. You are Phil Berg, Andy Martin, Orly Taitz, Devvy Kidd, Alan Keyes, Leo Donofrio, Eric Wrotnowski . . . and the list goes on. You have now recruited a couple of lost soldiers who, according to the World Nut Daily, "have grave concerns about the constitutional eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama to hold the office of president of the United States." They claim that President Obama MUST come forward and prove his citizenship status thus certifying his eligibility.

They wave the Constitution as if it means something to them, yet it occurs to me that what they demand is in direct conflict with our constitutional rights. Since when do you have to prove yourself innocent in this country? Our Constitutional protections include having to be proven guilty. They can't have it both ways.

What actually happened? President Obama requested his birth certificate from the State of Hawaii and was furnished a short-form copy. He submitted it and its authenticity has been verified by the State. In Hawaii, they have not distributed long-form or vault certificates in roughly 30 years as state policy, and the short form is sufficient to get a drivers license, run for office, etc. We verified this policy with the Recorders office. Obama followed the proper protocol. If someone wants to PROVE that he was born in Kenya which would really have to be a miracle since his mama was never in the country, then do so. Until then,


Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time. There is one MAJOR HOLE in that theory. Nobody has ever come up with one shred of solid evidence that his mother was EVER in Kenya.

We do know through travel records that his father was in Kenya in 1960, but not again until 1965. That means that if Barack Obama was really born in Kenya in 1961, his father was not there. Now what person in their right mind truly believes that his pregnant 18-year-old mother decided to leave her comfortable home in Hawaii where she was staying with her parents, and travel to Kenya during the late stages of the Mau Mau Rebellion WITHOUT HER HUSBAND, to give birth, then traveled back to Hawaii? IT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN. The only reasonable conclusion is to believe the state of Hawaii's verification of the authenticity of his birth certificate is true, since the other "option" is so obviously ridiculous.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born. Over the years it has evolved to the following Supreme Court opinion. The SCOTUS has already ruled several times on the definition of “natural born citizen” (PERKINS v. ELG; US v. Wong Kim Ark.)

"It is without question that a citizen born on US soil is natural born."

Case closed.

Then again, maybe they're right:

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  1. This is pretty funny coming from a stoned 9/11 "troofer".

  2. You might want to re-read Elg. It does way more hard to Obama's eligibility than you seem to realize. Read it for what it REALLY says and not for what you want it to say. And you must find, read, and understand historical rulings contained within Elg in order to understand the scope of that ruling.

    Additionally - Ark isn't such a great case to cite on Obama's behalf either. The Justice writing that opinion was appointed by the ONLY other usuper President in the history of the US and therefore, that opinion is highly suspect and doubtful, due to the recent discovery of Chester Arthur's influence upon Justice Grey, that the case would be admissible as case law in Obama's situation.

    And your comment about SCOTUS ruling several times on the issue - simply not true. None of the decisions were based upon the litigant running for POTUS.

    But maybe if you say case closed enough times, more and more people will believe it. Doubtful - but maybe. :)

    If you truly believed it was case closed - there would be no need for this post on your blog.

  3. So no chance to ever see the actual long-form birth certificate.

    Hummm, you'd think he'd be wavin' that thang over his head a-singin' "na-na-na-na-na" to beat da band, if there wasn't something on that birth certificate that disproved some earlier claim he has made about himself.

  4. I am not an Obama Hater, I actually voted for him...but I totally disagree with your article. To become President you must or should prove that your were born in the US, not just born a US Citizen. The Certificate of Live Birth that has been posted all over the net, proves nothing.

    Example: If a woman who is a US citizen travels abroad and gave bith to child outside of the US, then comes back to the US through Hawaii, she would have to register the child. In these cases the child is given a certificate of live birth. It certainly does not prove that the child was born in the US.

    So when you state that a Certificate of Live Birth is valid enough to run for office...well yes, except for President.

    What has opened my eyes to this conspiracy if that's what you want to call that they have his Kenyan Grandmother on tape stating that she was at the hospital in Kenya and witnessed his birth. You certainly did not make mention of this in your article.

    Next question is why would Obama seal his birth certificate in Hawaii? It is a fact that he had his original birth certificate sealed and no one can see it without his permission. Why would he seal it? What does he have to hide? Why has he spent over a million in legal fees instead of just showing the country his actual birth certifcate.

    For someone that is TRANSPARENT and has nothing to hide, he sure acts like he has something to hide.

  5. Question: do you have a source or link for your statement about travel records showing when Obama's father returned to Kenya?

    I'd also note in response to the comment above that the grandmother in Kenya never said she witnessed his birth. At the beginning of the tape that is on the internet, she is asked about "your son" so she gives answers about Obama's father, who has the same name as he does. Then the interviewer switched to talking about the younger Barack (her grandson) and she or the translator said several time that he was born in Hawaii.

  6. You voted for Obama? Sure you did. There is no way he can get a vault certificate. They have not given one out in 30 years. It's state policy and has nothing to do with Obama. The certificate has now been sealed by the Republican governor, not by Obama, to get rid of the nutcases.

    Your Kenya story is hilarious. Jerome Corsi of World Nut Daily MADE UP the story. You say, "if a woman travels abroad and gives birth outside of the country". STOP. PROVE THAT SHE TRAVELED ABROAD. If you can prove Obama's mama was ever in Kenya, prove it. You can't. She never was. END OF KENYA STORY. Use your head for more than a hat rack. I'm sure the old lady had fun conning the white guys asking all the questions. Case closed on your Kenya story.

    You didn't have to try to convince anyone that you voted for Obama then spread the same old tired right wing nutcase line. Nice try.

  7. Nice try by all the malcontents to destroy the new president but it didn't and won't work. He IS president now and until the next election and perhaps after that if he continues to follow the policies he has enunciated. So instead of trying to undermine him why don't you put your formidable talents to helping him accomplish what a majority of Americans voted him in to do? Wouldn't that make you feel a lot better about yourselves?

  8. You have done nothing to provide a solution to this issue. Your statements about "there is no way to get the vault certificate" "they haven't given one out in 30 years" is childishly silly.

    Is this some secret vault to hide real certificates ? From who ? So don't "give it out", just show it. This can't be done because ?

    There is also the issue of his college admission papers not being shown. Another secret that "can't be done" ?

    Thou doth protest too much. And too hard.

  9. Sommers,

    There is no solution needed. Obama was told by his parents that he was born in Hawaii. There is no way he wasn't because his mom was never in Kenya. That's all that he needs to know. He has nothing to do with the changes made in the state policy in Hawaii 30 years ago when he was 17. The information on a short form is identical to that on the vault certificate, there is just less of it.

    "Thou does protest too much. And too hard." Funny, but the protests don't come from Obama or his supporters, only from Obama haters who can't stand to see him in the White House, such as yourself. The only protest going on is your own. I'm laughing at the stupidity of it all. Obama taught Constitutional Law and knows full well that he is qualified. So do his opponents. It's only the truly warped that persist with this foolishness.

  10. I'm so sick of these right wing negative haters. Do you honestly believe that Obama's background was never checked by authorities like NSA, FBI and CIA, Republican Party, Democratic Party and all others who have much greater access to his personal data then you ever will ?

    If there was any substance at all to this theory it would have been found before the election. Who can honestly have any doubt that Cheney, Rove etc. would have found it and brought it out to get Palin in the White House? Even Ralph Nader would have found out and revealed it. With possibly several Supreme Court Nominees to select and approve you can bet your sweet donkey the Republican Party would want to be in office and they would have gotten to the bottom of this.

    Maybe instead of being mad at Obama you should be mad at everyone that supposedly ran against him who part of the conspiracy to hold this secret beyond death. Give me a break!

  11. What's all the fuss? I've said it before and I'll say it again; a Certificate Of Live Birth (COLB) is adequate to prove your citizenship. I know this because the law states it, and I know this because I don't have a 'vault copy' of my birth certificate; I have a COLB. With my COLB I've gotten into school, gotten government assistance, gotten my passport, etc...

  12. The people of this country need to stop trying to divide and start to get behind our newly elected president. This country is in one hell of a mess. This issue is minor compared to what this country is facing. This is exactly the problem we have with our two party system. Conservatives and liberals bicker and try to find things to derail each others agenda. It's like being in a dysfunctional family that argues all the time and can't agree on anything. It's time we swallow our pride and a party loyalties and start seeing things in a new light. We're all on the same team here! We're all fighting to stay afloat. It saddens me to see that working class people who are the back bone of this country, are having their tax dolloars go to the same corporations who are ready to lay them off. Nobody has all the answers, so give the guy a chance.

  13. As a former military member, you absolutely do NOT have authority to challenge ANY order. You HAVE to obey them, and complain afterwards if needed. This is how the U.S. millitary works. Even if you were right, you'd still be frowned upon by not following the order. Sounds ass backwards, but it's how the millitary is run. There in ZERO tollerance for disobeying orders, errant or otherwise. You can dislike the rules but it's still the same.

    Having said that, I fully believe if Obama did not have and did not provide a proper birth certificate, he would not be president now. There were many rich, powerful and resourceful people who would have eaten this up if there was any legitimacy to it. Bottom line is he is president, the 'proof' was obtained by those who needed it, and this tool questioning it should be court marshalled and sent packing for his ignorant, and most likely politically motivated slurs towards the Commander and Chief of the USA.

  14. Its unbelievable when you get some here crying about Obama not showing his birth certificate, or the fact you must show your BC to get a job etc. Yet 95% of folks use their short form birth certificate, the short form is a shorter copy of the long form. Why the hell do some insist him to show the same confirmed birth certificate but includes "how he was born", his "weight at birth" and his fathers religion?

    This soldier wants to protest against something he "thinks" is unconstitutional, where the hell was he during Iraq where there was actually something unconstitutional going on?

  15. Hawaii has officially produced a certification which every court has recognized as being sufficient for determining citizenship. This has been litigated in the courts, and all have found that there is no legal problem. There is no significant factual evidence and there is no legal evidence there is a problem. The US Supreme Court has taken up the issue and let the appeals court decision stand. Case closed. Literally.

    Obama has been subject to the law and the law has been followed. These people just don't like Obama and are picking on a spurious reason to be a hater.

  16. This further proves the ignorance of Obama opponents regarding this birth certificate conspiracy. They are willing to believe an unauthenticated random audio tape of somebody claiming to be Obama's relation and even at that Barack Obama's father is also named Barack Obama.

    Also here's another revelation, according to the lady who identified herself in the audio tape, that was not Obama's grandmother or blood relation, on Obama's family tree "Sarah" is Obama's father's stepmother whom was not the same individual as the grandmother introduced before. So even from that information itself its flawed... seriously listen to the tape and actually reference it.

    In any case these folks are willing to believe what some audio tape of individuals claiming to be Obama's relatives, unauthenticated, as opposed to the confirmed birth certification and natural born status from the state government, health officials etc. It just shows the logic of this whole thing. Folks desperate to believe this garbage.

    I listened to the guy on the radio station on this audio tape, pathetic, he was acting all religious and righteous, stating that "i want to come pray with you if you admit obama was born there"... its one thing to spread these lies and propaganda around, its another thing to profess god himself in this. Conservatives really think that they are the only "true christians" and everybody else is godless... it just unbelievable... Just some political stunt, not true christianity.

  17. The birth issue is only part of the matter. His passport applications and college applications state he is a citizen of Indonesia (his mother remarried because Obama Sr. was married with children at the time he married Obama’s mother). He was adopted by his stepfather and his legal name became Barry Soetoro.

    CANDID BLOGGER - Obama's stepfather had no authority over Obama as a child at the time because he was not the biological father and there has been no evidence to prove that Obama was adopted. Furthermore, in indonesia during that time children of foreign indonesian marriages, especially mixed marriages had to reside in Indonesia for 5 years or had to be 5 years of age to be eligible to gain citizenship and to be legally adopted by his indonesian stepfather. Because he only came to Indonesia at 6 years and left at 10 years none of this applies.


    He attended primary school in Indonesia. Indonesian law requires that students are Indonesian citizens. I believe his adoption of the Soetoro name also made him an Indonesian citizen by operation of Indonesian law. Indonesia did not allow for dual citizenship in those days, and certainly not until 2006.

    CANDID BLOGGER - Obama had to give up his US natural born citizenship to become an indonesian and then to officially, in the eyes of the law, attend school, but he was too young. What was written on the school documents was not legal in the eyes of Indonesia or the US, and thus Soetoro had no legal right to proclaim obama anything. Soetoro probably broke the law to get Obama into school during that 4 years but that's not Obama's fault.

    To make matters worse for Obama, there is no evidence that he ever took the oath of U.S. citizenship upon reaching the age of 18, which means he was never naturalized as a U.S. citizen, (i.e., he is an illegal alien)!

    CANDID BLOGGER - It was not necessary for him to do so. He was born in Hawaii, was not legally adopted by Soetoro, and had no duty to take the oath.

    The birth certificate said to be his–never produced in original form for inspection–is alleged to be his sister’s. I believe the hour of birth and/or the hour the certificate was created is identical to his sister’s, the odds of which are almost impossible. Also, the certificate number is redacted on the copy posted on Obama’s website. There is also an issue with certain language in the certificate that was not used by the state of Hawaii the year Obama was actually born, but was in use when his sister was born (and it’s not the “African” “negro” race description, which is yet another anomaly highly indicative of a thoughtless forgery by a member of the current generation).

    CANDID BLOGGER - This has been addressed many times. A professional debunks the so-called experts that said the BC was forged:

    Obama has also identified himself as an Indonesian citizen in college applications as well as when he traveled to Pakistan after college. And the fact that when Obama traveled to Pakistan and India in 1981, it seems that NO US CITIZENS WERE ALLOWED, by order of the US State Department, to travel to either of those two countries at that time.

    CANDID BLOGGER - THIS IS A BOLD-FACED LIE BY THE RIGHT WING. The U.S. State Department Travel Advisory to Pakistan in 1981 confirms the newspaper account:

    "NO. 81-33A
    Travel Advisory
    Passport Services/Bureau of Consular Affa[irs]
    Department of State/Wahington. D.C. 205__
    AUGUST 17, 1981




    Whether or not Obama was born in Honolulu he still lost his citizenship when he lived in Indonesia for five years with his mother and his step-father ackowledged him so he could attend school there, which only citizens of Indonesia could do.

    CANDID BLOGGER - First: Nutcase Phil Berg's assertion that Ms. Dunham-Soetoro lost her US citizenship upon her marriage to Lolo Soetoro under the Nationality Act of 1940, Section 317(b) is not supported by the law he cites. That law applied only to persons married prior to 1922.

    Since Ms. Dunham-Soetoro never lost her citizenship under Section 317(b) -- because she married Soetoro in the 1960s, long after 1922 -- there was no need to regain her citizenship and/or to take any oath of allegiance.

    Second: Whatever the status of his mother, both the 1940 Nationality Act and the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act, which amended the 1940 Act, expressly provided that Obama could not lose his US citizenship by virtue of his mother's actions so long as he returned to the US and established residency before he was 23/25.

  18. I just think it preposterous that people question his birthplace based on some trumped-up conspiracy regarding his birth certificate. Sure, 47 years ago his mom was so worried that he couldn't run for president that she concocted this scheme.

    His birth announcement was in the paper for that day in Honolulu. I think that is all the proof anyone would need. The investigator that found the microfiche with the birth announcement was a Republican operative looking to prove Obama was not born in Hawaii. He left after finding the announcement because it was irrefutable proof that he was.

    I would like to hear somebody else address this but everybody seems to be chasing their tails instead about some phony or forged birth certificate. Obama was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961.




    Move along.

    I find it funny how the people that claim Obama couldn't even use the certificate he presented for any legal use, to get a passport for example, never present any evidence for this.

    First let's look at what Obama presented. He presented a Certification of Live Birth, also known as a short form. Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are cheaper than photocopies and much more easily accessible. Limited information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is usually titled a "Certification of Birth" or "Certificate of Live Birth". The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances.

    This is from Wikipedia and some might say "you can't trust anything on wikipedia". Fine, how about the State Department?

    This is what the State Department asks for for proof of citizenship:


    a. APPLICANTS BORN IN THE UNITED STATES: Submit a previous U.S. passport or certified birth certificate. A birth certificate must include your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records.

    Obama's certificate includes all of this. It also includes "the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records". This idea that Obama couldn't use this certificate for any legal proof of citizenship is unfounded, just like all of the other claims.

  19. The COLB does, in fact, state a 'Place of Birth' -- Honolulu, HI. For a time, you could get a Hawaiian BC if you were born somewhere else, but it would be a COLB *issued* by the State of Hawaii and the 'Place of Birth' would read 'Paris, France' or 'Ontario, Canada' -- it certainly wouldn't list Hawaii as the 'Place of Birth.'

  20. To the clown that said his Kenyan grandmother claims he was born in Kenya. That is NOT his grandmother. She was his father's stepmother and is not even related to Obama. Just another smokescreen.

  21. If Obama was not a citizen, GWB, John McCain, Saracuda and a miltitude of Republicans would be screaming to high heaven. (real Republicans, not the conspiracy nuts)

    It is obvious where he was born, the state of Hawaii cannot give out a shortform without a long form. And short forms are what they give out. Cant deal with it? Tough. its funy how people complain about the court case presented but do not ever contend with the exidence that is not there to support them.

  22. ARKIE:


    Hell, I voted for his daddy!!!!

  23. Dear Candid Blogger: Of course, Obama can get a copy of his vault certificate to give the press and end this. Your statement that it is sealed by the State of Hawaii is incorrect - members of the public can't get it - but Mr. Obama can. Mr. Obama taught constitutional law and is well aware of the issue of "natural born" and how it precludes individuals from the presidency. He even sponsored legislation to address this issue while senator. Transparency for every one else, but not for Mr. Obama - very very strange

  24. Dear Anonymous,

    That shows how much you know. The state of Hawaii WILL NOT GIVE OUT A VAULT CERTIFICATE TO ANYONE. If Obama requested his birth certificate, he would receive the short form again. This has been state policy for roughly 30 years and we affirmed this policy with the State Recorders office. Now read my lips: Members of the public can't get a vault certificate, nor can any individual. What part of this don't you understand????

  25. That is completely untrue. A person can obtain a copy of their own "vault certificate". It is not available to any other individual or person except by a court order. Check the website for Hawaii. It is a factual question that President Obama should clear up and present to the american public. Perhaps he wants to discredit his "opposition" by focusing their attention on this birth certificate issue. It is ridiculous that an administration which is focused on transparency will not be "transparent" itself. I suppose transparency is only for the rest of us.

  26. PS. The Hawaiian program for home lands distinguishes between the computer generated certification (published on the web by the democratic campaign) and the certificate of live birth. They require the certificate (not the certification). Obviously, the certificate is available to Obama. And, why do you care? Mr. Obama is the president, why should you be upset that some people are demanding a copy of the certificate? Why is that Mr. Candid Blogger? I guess there is really something behind this matter. Or maybe its an Alinsky tactic to keep the right wing absorbed w/ a false issue while Mr. Obama continues with his other objectives.

  27. And, by the way, this has nothing to do with "hating" obama. We live by a constitution, the rule of law. The constitution states "natural born" as a requirement for the presidency. Mr. Obama is a constitutional scholar and well aware of this requirement. It was also an issue for McCain. I think, as an American citizen, it is not too much to ask that the President comply with, honor, and respect the Constitution of these United States. It is most unbecoming for a President to overlook the requirements of law. It is equally unbecoming and unpresidential to have a portion - however small- of the population upset about an issue that could be and should be laid to rest.

  28. You must be suffering from cognitive dissonance. For $10 you get a short form. READ MY LIPS AGAIN; The state of Hawaii DOES NOT GIVE OUT A VAULT CERTIFICATE TO ANYONE. Period.

    Obama doesn't have to clear this up for the American public -- only for the desperate nutcases who persist in questioning his qualifications. Isn't it funny that the RNC nor the DNC ever questioned this fact? If there was anything to it, they would have gone after him. Try a little common sense.

  29. Final post. I will be closing the comments on this thread. Here is the coup de grace:

    On November 3, the Chicago Tribune's Swamp reported that Ms. Okubo (Health Department Spokeswoman, per the Press Release) confirmed in both e-mail and telephone interviews that Obama was BORN IN HAWAII:

    "Seeking to squelch persistent rumors that Sen. Barack Obama isn't eligible to become president because he allegedly was born outside the United States, a Hawaiian official has confirmed she has "personally seen and verified" that the state "has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate" - meaning Obama was born in the Aloha state, and is therefore an American citizen.

    [Quote from Official News Release, already quoted above.]

    Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

    "YES," said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. "That's what Dr. Fukino is saying."


  30. Any more comments or questions can be answered by simply going to my Blog List in the right-hand column, and clicking on the link: WHAT'S YOUR EVIDENCE. Any questions related to this issue are answered in that blog.

  31. To poor lost Anonymous who said:

    "The Hawaiian program for home lands distinguishes between the computer generated certification (published on the web by the democratic campaign) and the certificate of live birth. They require the certificate (not the certification). Obviously, the certificate is available to Obama. And, why do you care? Mr. Obama is the president, why should you be upset that some people are demanding a copy of the certificate?"

    It is not necessary for him to show a birth certificate because the certification is a legal document showing that the birth certificate exists in the files. It is like a bank book, which proved that you had money in the bank. The certification has now been accepted by at least one court. The court has seen the paper certification and ruled that it was authentic.

    Then, there is no proof that Obama was born anywhere other than
    Hawaii. IF Obama had been born in Kenya, there would be a record of
    his mother arriving in Kenya in the archives of the Kenya government.

    In one case, the The court found the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on.”

    You have been owned.

  32. If I produce a COLB from Kenya, with Barak Obama's name on it, would that not prove that he was born there? Anyone can type out and photo shop a document to say anything. My own son's real birth certificate has mother, father, doctor, hospital, town, city, state, time, name of child, sex, even ss number. The document is kept in a state controlled building and I received a copy by showing my ID and requesting a copy. I received a copy of this original BIRTH CERTIFICATE, not a COLB. Are we to believe the word of some unknown and unnamed bureaucrat, that they, "have seen the original" ? Obama is definitely hiding something. Otherwise as stated by previous writers, he would be waving that original over his head and whistling dixie, or Trotsky. He appears to be a fraud.

  33. You are woefully mis or uninformed. Hawaii, with the approval of the Federal Govt., went to paperless documentation in 2000. The COLB is the ONLY form of birth certificate ID now available in that and many other states. The information on the COLB is all that is legally required under Federal law to obtain a passport, drivers license, or to run for public office.

    The "unnamed bureaucrat" to whom you refer is REPUBLICAN Governor Linda Lingle, who campaigned for McCain. Hardly unknown. Nice try though.


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